Sundering String or Vampiric String? - Guild Wars Forums

Kael Beowulf · Oct 11, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

Pretty simple questions, count out on your opinion!

1)About barrage builds and longbow/hornbow , what do you think would fits better for the build?

2)Witch of them does more damage? The Sundering of the Vampiric?

3)When equiped, the sundering gives a 20% chance to the barrage skill gives armor penen on all enemies, or it gives 20% chance for each arrow that hits an enemy?

Thanks for your time looking over here!

(Btw thats my last question about barrage stuff, no need to curse me =P)

P.S: In case sundering doesnt goes good for barrage builds, where would you suggest to use them?

Ole Man Bourbon · Oct 11, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

vampiric, as always

gene terrodon · Oct 11, 2006, 04:48 PM // 16:48

The mods are per arrow.

Old man is right...Vampiric FTW

5 armor ignoring damage always and health gain, possible +30 hp per barrage.
Zealous also works well with barrage build

Sundering is overrated and pretty useless, IMHO never use it.

Trvth Jvstice · Oct 11, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

I think Most people advise putting a vampiric mod on a half moon or short bow.

Zui · Oct 11, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

1) Vampiric. You do more damage and you'll even get some healing.

2) Vampric. It does alot more damage than Sundering.

3) No clue. Either way though, Vampric is going to be much better.

Deadly Panda · Oct 11, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Vampiric is better.

Franco · Oct 11, 2006, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Go vampiric but dont forget to buy the godly sundering for 30k...

w00t! · Oct 11, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Vampiric is better in almost all cases. They are also much cheaper. Someone several months ago did a very detailed analysis of this, so you may want to try searching.

TheOneAndOnlyX · Oct 11, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18

I personally hate vampiric due to the down time and the health management but when your working with barage vampiric is the best way to go

just a test

Former Ruling · Oct 11, 2006, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOneAndOnlyX

I personally hate vampiric due to the down time and the health management but when your working with barage vampiric is the best way to go

just a test

F1-F4. Theres your downtime.

Vampiric wins hands down.

Vamp even wins against 1 opponent, with Barrage there shouldnt even be the hint of a question about which is better :\

Relambrien · Oct 11, 2006, 10:06 PM // 22:06

Oh no! This is turning into another Vamp Vs. AP thread! (I'm sure most of you remember it)

Here were the points made:

Vampiric does a higher overall DPS
The healing from Vampiric offsets the health degeneration
Sundering does NOT get any better during a spike
It would take a good three minutes to die from vampiric health degeneration
If, as a monk, you ever need to heal vampiric health degeneration, something is wrong.
Sundering, while not very damaging, has the benefit of no health degeneration.

The thread is filled with a bunch of debates, arguments, and flames, so I would only recommend reading it if you want to see the evidence firsthand.

However, the thread is titled "Vamp vs. AP" if you want to search for it.

Kael Beowulf · Oct 11, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Thanks a lot guys! You just saved me 30k(lol!) i'll give it a look at the Vamp vs. AP !!

jimmy_logic · Oct 12, 2006, 10:28 AM // 10:28

Heh... this old topic always comes up on here...

I say lock before it gets any worse.

Gorebrex · Oct 12, 2006, 11:14 AM // 11:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relambrien

Oh no! This is turning into another Vamp Vs. AP thread! (I'm sure most of you remember it)

Here were the points made:

Vampiric does a higher overall DPS
The healing from Vampiric offsets the health degeneration
Sundering does NOT get any better during a spike
It would take a good three minutes to die from vampiric health degeneration
If, as a monk, you ever need to heal vampiric health degeneration, something is wrong.
Sundering, while not very damaging, has the benefit of no health degeneration...

Im not that interested in having the highest DPS possible, damage offset is only while attacking, so you have to equip when in battle, then unequip while traveling, and Id prefer to not have to switch back and forth. Well, how much difference does it make? If its some insanely huge difference, then I could see it, otherwise, Id use the sundering. Id rather have no possibility of dying because of my eqipped weapon.
Like someone not switching it out? Have seen it happen a few times.
Always my preference...

PanGammon · Oct 12, 2006, 11:21 AM // 11:21

What this guy wants to know is which one for a barrager. And as everyone knows (even the sunder hoggers) Vampiric + Barrage = Goody. Now please take your AP-VP debate somewhere else...........

Zui · Oct 12, 2006, 11:27 AM // 11:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorebrex

Im not that interested in having the highest DPS possible, damage offset is only while attacking, so you have to equip when in battle, then unequip while traveling, and Id prefer to not have to switch back and forth. Well, how much difference does it make? If its some insanely huge difference, then I could see it, otherwise, Id use the sundering. Id rather have no possibility of dying because of my eqipped weapon.
Like someone not switching it out? Have seen it happen a few times.
Always my preference...

ROFL.

Ok, it takes one key stroke and less than one second to switch weapons. It's also going to take absolutly FOREVER to die degening from a Vampiric Weapon. We'll say you have a fairly low amount of health, 455 for example. It's going to take you 227 seconds to die from a Vampiric Wepaon. That's almost 4 minutes(Ok, so it's closer to 3 and a half, but that rounds up!). If your Monks are so imcompetent they don't notice you're dying and heal you out of combat, your team is standing around doing nothing for that long, or you don't realise you're dying durring that period of time and use a self heal or switch weapons, there's somthing VERY wrong, and everyone involved should get a brain transplant.

Yes, it is an insanely huge difference. Oh, and Vampiric even heals you...

As for not wanting to switch, fine. That just means you're lazy, and are paying alot more for alot less benefit, simply because you are unable to hit a single button.

Like I said, if you ever die from a Vampiric weapon, you need a brain transplant...

Gorebrex · Oct 12, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23

@Pan: Yes, I know its for Barrage, neer said Sundering was better for that, and it was more of a self-debate, not saying anything that makes Sundering sound better than Vamp. It was an opinion, NOT a statement.

@zui: You said, "...If your Monks are so imcompetent they don't notice you're dying and heal you out of combat, your team is standing around doing nothing for that long, or you don't realise you're dying durring that period of time and use a self heal or switch weapons, there's somthing VERY wrong, and everyone involved should get a brain transplant." Well, I said that! Ive had to heal people before because of it. Was the first time I was partied with someone with vamp, he couldnt switch (like I asked, " If it causes degen, why not switch weapons? "Too much loot in inventory"). Paying? Paying for what? Ive never/have no intention of buying weapond from players, as I often disagree with what is considered a "fair" price(meaning general knowledge, not whats in PC thread, or stated in-game). Rare skins, "perfect" weapons meaning much more money, .... Ill pass on buying weapons from people.
This should continue in PMs if at all(Id rather not)

Oct 11, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41	#1
Kael Beowulf Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2006 Guild: The Purest Guild Profession: R/Mo	Sundering String or Vampiric String? Pretty simple questions, count out on your opinion! 1)About barrage builds and longbow/hornbow , what do you think would fits better for the build? 2)Witch of them does more damage? The Sundering of the Vampiric? 3)When equiped, the sundering gives a 20% chance to the barrage skill gives armor penen on all enemies, or it gives 20% chance for each arrow that hits an enemy? Thanks for your time looking over here! (Btw thats my last question about barrage stuff, no need to curse me =P) P.S: In case sundering doesnt goes good for barrage builds, where would you suggest to use them? Last edited by Kael Beowulf; Oct 11, 2006 at 04:43 PM // 16:43..

Oct 11, 2006, 04:48 PM // 16:48	#3
gene terrodon Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Maryland/DC Area Guild: Farmers Unite [FU] Profession: W/	The mods are per arrow. Old man is right...Vampiric FTW 5 armor ignoring damage always and health gain, possible +30 hp per barrage. Zealous also works well with barrage build Sundering is overrated and pretty useless, IMHO never use it. Last edited by gene terrodon; Oct 11, 2006 at 07:09 PM // 19:09..

Oct 11, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18	#9
TheOneAndOnlyX Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: The Last Sacrens Profession: N/Me	I personally hate vampiric due to the down time and the health management but when your working with barage vampiric is the best way to go just a test Last edited by TheOneAndOnlyX; Oct 11, 2006 at 09:20 PM // 21:20..

Oct 11, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43	#2
Ole Man Bourbon Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Atlanta Guild: GONG Profession: W/E	vampiric, as always

Oct 11, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58	#4
Trvth Jvstice Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2006 Guild: HALE Profession: W/	I think Most people advise putting a vampiric mod on a half moon or short bow.

Oct 11, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02	#5
Zui Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO] Profession: Mo/	1) Vampiric. You do more damage and you'll even get some healing. 2) Vampric. It does alot more damage than Sundering. 3) No clue. Either way though, Vampric is going to be much better.

Oct 11, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11	#6
Deadly Panda Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Belgium Guild: / Profession: Mo/A	Vampiric is better.

Oct 11, 2006, 05:18 PM // 17:18	#7
Franco Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: England Guild: VoB Profession: Me/	Go vampiric but dont forget to buy the godly sundering for 30k...

Oct 11, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14	#8
w00t! Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sorrow's Furnace Hot Tub Guild: RoS Profession: Mo/Me	Vampiric is better in almost all cases. They are also much cheaper. Someone several months ago did a very detailed analysis of this, so you may want to try searching.

Oct 11, 2006, 10:06 PM // 22:06	#11
Relambrien Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Delaware, USA Guild: Error Seven Operators [Call] Profession: W/	Oh no! This is turning into another Vamp Vs. AP thread! (I'm sure most of you remember it) Here were the points made: Vampiric does a higher overall DPS The healing from Vampiric offsets the health degeneration Sundering does NOT get any better during a spike It would take a good three minutes to die from vampiric health degeneration If, as a monk, you ever need to heal vampiric health degeneration, something is wrong. Sundering, while not very damaging, has the benefit of no health degeneration. The thread is filled with a bunch of debates, arguments, and flames, so I would only recommend reading it if you want to see the evidence firsthand. However, the thread is titled "Vamp vs. AP" if you want to search for it.

Oct 11, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13	#12
Kael Beowulf Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2006 Guild: The Purest Guild Profession: R/Mo	Thanks a lot guys! You just saved me 30k(lol!) i'll give it a look at the Vamp vs. AP !!

Oct 12, 2006, 10:28 AM // 10:28	#13
jimmy_logic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: R/	Heh... this old topic always comes up on here... I say lock before it gets any worse.

Oct 12, 2006, 11:21 AM // 11:21	#15
PanGammon Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Underworld Guild: Leader of Grenth Gaming Inc [GG] Profession: Mo/Me	What this guy wants to know is which one for a barrager. And as everyone knows (even the sunder hoggers) Vampiric + Barrage = Goody. Now please take your AP-VP debate somewhere else...........

Oct 12, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23	#17
Gorebrex Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2006	@Pan: Yes, I know its for Barrage, neer said Sundering was better for that, and it was more of a self-debate, not saying anything that makes Sundering sound better than Vamp. It was an opinion, NOT a statement. @zui: You said, "...If your Monks are so imcompetent they don't notice you're dying and heal you out of combat, your team is standing around doing nothing for that long, or you don't realise you're dying durring that period of time and use a self heal or switch weapons, there's somthing VERY wrong, and everyone involved should get a brain transplant." Well, I said that! Ive had to heal people before because of it. Was the first time I was partied with someone with vamp, he couldnt switch (like I asked, " If it causes degen, why not switch weapons? "Too much loot in inventory"). Paying? Paying for what? Ive never/have no intention of buying weapond from players, as I often disagree with what is considered a "fair" price(meaning general knowledge, not whats in PC thread, or stated in-game). Rare skins, "perfect" weapons meaning much more money, .... Ill pass on buying weapons from people. This should continue in PMs if at all(Id rather not)